Comments on: The Six Laws Of Abundance - Part 6 http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6 Where The Word Comes Alive Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:45:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Russell Earl Kelly http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6/comment-page-1#comment-256 Russell Earl Kelly Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:29:03 +0000 http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6#comment-256 Jesus could not possibly have taught his Jewish disciples to stop tithing because the law was still in full effect. If he had tautht his diciplels to stop tithing then he would be sinning and would have to die for his own sins. MNt 23:23 is a discussion of "matters of the law" because the scribes and Pharisees "sit in Moses seat" in 23: 2 and 3. That is the context inspired by God.. On the other hand Jesus could not possibly have told his Gentile disciples to tithe. They had no place to bring them where they would have been accepted. the OT taught that anybody who lived off tithes was not allowed to own or inherit property. We pick and choose what parts of the OT to keep. Tithign is OK; multiple marriages, unclean food adn Saturday Sabbath are not OK. Very convenient. Jesus could not possibly have taught his Jewish disciples to stop tithing because the law was still in full effect. If he had tautht his diciplels to stop tithing then he would be sinning and would have to die for his own sins.

MNt 23:23 is a discussion of “matters of the law” because the scribes and Pharisees “sit in Moses seat” in 23: 2 and 3. That is the context inspired by God..

On the other hand Jesus could not possibly have told his Gentile disciples to tithe. They had no place to bring them where they would have been accepted.

the OT taught that anybody who lived off tithes was not allowed to own or inherit property. We pick and choose what parts of the OT to keep. Tithign is OK; multiple marriages, unclean food adn Saturday Sabbath are not OK. Very convenient.

]]> By: Dave Earley http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6/comment-page-1#comment-255 Dave Earley Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:20:53 +0000 http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6#comment-255 I like your point Amore. People have different gifts, which doesn't mean that we are not supposed to do what God says (like spreading the Good News), but when we give to certain ministries, we also help reach out to others, which we normally may not be able to do. The pharisees were very religious. Jesus did not rebuke them for tithing, but for their hypocrisy. On the outside they appeared to be clean, yet on the inside they were not. I understand where you are coming from R E K, as I have heard various teachings on tithing. And while it may not be required, I enjoy doing it because I realize that what I have is not going to stay with me. I'm not taking it anywhere, and I could buy a lot of things that I don't really need, whereas by giving it to the needs of the Church, it is more likely put to great use, that will hopefully have some eternal impact. I like your point Amore. People have different gifts, which doesn’t mean that we are not supposed to do what God says (like spreading the Good News), but when we give to certain ministries, we also help reach out to others, which we normally may not be able to do.

The pharisees were very religious. Jesus did not rebuke them for tithing, but for their hypocrisy. On the outside they appeared to be clean, yet on the inside they were not.

I understand where you are coming from R E K, as I have heard various teachings on tithing. And while it may not be required, I enjoy doing it because I realize that what I have is not going to stay with me. I’m not taking it anywhere, and I could buy a lot of things that I don’t really need, whereas by giving it to the needs of the Church, it is more likely put to great use, that will hopefully have some eternal impact.

]]> By: Amore http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6/comment-page-1#comment-253 Amore Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:17:04 +0000 http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6#comment-253 Russell, you seem to be missing the point of Brother David's sharing on tithing here. As far as I read, he didn't insist that tithing is compulsory. But instead, rather interestingly enough, he went beyond by looking out of the box about tithing. In the NT, Jesus did not abolish tithing. If he did, he would have torn up the tithing box while watching people going into the temple to place their offering to God. From there, He preached about giving freely out of the heart based on a poor woman who gave only two pence. It will be rather interesting if you look beyond "preaching tithing is wrong" but rather looking at why God did not abolish tithing but allows it to continue. Have you ever thought of it being a system that God has set in place for people to give freely to the poor through the church and to the church workers who are serving the needy? There are people out there with money but do not know how and where to give. But they can see with their own eyes the fruits of labour through outreach and helping the needy and poor. Since you say that evangelism is the secret for success, how many are faithfully sharing the Gospel of Good News to people around them or unsaved family members? Are you doing it? Tithing may not be the secret of success for you. But it may be so for those who gives with a cheerful and faithful heart knowing that each single cent they give whether to church or to other charity organizations, they know that God is watching both the giver and the receiver. Tithing may not be your way. But I sure hope you are giving through other ways to bring the Gospel to the lost. Russell, you seem to be missing the point of Brother David’s sharing on tithing here. As far as I read, he didn’t insist that tithing is compulsory. But instead, rather interestingly enough, he went beyond by looking out of the box about tithing. In the NT, Jesus did not abolish tithing. If he did, he would have torn up the tithing box while watching people going into the temple to place their offering to God. From there, He preached about giving freely out of the heart based on a poor woman who gave only two pence. It will be rather interesting if you look beyond “preaching tithing is wrong” but rather looking at why God did not abolish tithing but allows it to continue. Have you ever thought of it being a system that God has set in place for people to give freely to the poor through the church and to the church workers who are serving the needy? There are people out there with money but do not know how and where to give. But they can see with their own eyes the fruits of labour through outreach and helping the needy and poor. Since you say that evangelism is the secret for success, how many are faithfully sharing the Gospel of Good News to people around them or unsaved family members? Are you doing it? Tithing may not be the secret of success for you. But it may be so for those who gives with a cheerful and faithful heart knowing that each single cent they give whether to church or to other charity organizations, they know that God is watching both the giver and the receiver. Tithing may not be your way. But I sure hope you are giving through other ways to bring the Gospel to the lost.

]]> By: Ron F. http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6/comment-page-1#comment-248 Ron F. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:10:05 +0000 http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6#comment-248 This is a very good topic, thanks for sharing. I have experienced God's blessings when I started to give tithe regularly. Surely, we cannot outgive God, the more we give cheerfully and prayerfully, the more we receive. God bless you and your family. Keep on sharing the Good News. This is a very good topic, thanks for sharing. I have experienced God’s blessings when I started to give tithe regularly. Surely, we cannot outgive God, the more we give cheerfully and prayerfully, the more we receive. God bless you and your family. Keep on sharing the Good News.

]]> By: Russell Earl Kelly http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6/comment-page-1#comment-246 Russell Earl Kelly Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:57:11 +0000 http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6#comment-246 It does not matter whether or not it works outside of the church parking lot because we are talkig about church donations. Consideer this also. Barack Obama has "enough money to go on politicing indefinitely." Why? He preaches HOPE in a better future and people give sacrificially. The church has lost that. It should be preaching HOPE FOR A BETTER FUTURE through salvation in Jesus Christ -- it is a far better hope. Do we need to teach tithing in order to succeed? No. No. No. Obama is not asking for tithes. John MacArthur does not ask for tithes. Moody Bible Institute, Dallas Theological Seminary, Wheaton College and Talbot Seminary do not teach tithing but they are doing well. Tithing is not the secret for success -- evangelism is. It does not matter whether or not it works outside of the church parking lot because we are talkig about church donations.

Consideer this also. Barack Obama has “enough money to go on politicing indefinitely.” Why? He preaches HOPE in a better future and people give sacrificially. The church has lost that. It should be preaching HOPE FOR A BETTER FUTURE through salvation in Jesus Christ — it is a far better hope.

Do we need to teach tithing in order to succeed? No. No. No. Obama is not asking for tithes. John MacArthur does not ask for tithes. Moody Bible Institute, Dallas Theological Seminary, Wheaton College and Talbot Seminary do not teach tithing but they are doing well. Tithing is not the secret for success — evangelism is.

]]> By: Dave Earley http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6/comment-page-1#comment-245 Dave Earley Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:56:32 +0000 http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6#comment-245 Very interesting R E K. I would agree that grace outgives. Have you done this said experiment before? Yet, I'm not convinced the results would be the same outside the church parking lot. Very interesting R E K. I would agree that grace outgives. Have you done this said experiment before? Yet, I’m not convinced the results would be the same outside the church parking lot.

]]> By: Russell Earl Kelly http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6/comment-page-1#comment-238 Russell Earl Kelly Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:55:39 +0000 http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6#comment-238 After all the good things which have said I cannot see how anybody can condlude that the NT teaches tithing to the Church in any fashion whatsover. NT giving is (1) freewill, (2) sacrificial, (3) generous, (4) a heart response, (5) motivated by the HOly Spirit and (6) out of a desie to see souls added to God's kingdom. OT tithing was (1) mandatory, (2) only from farmers and herdsmen, (3) only from inside Israel, (4) feelings were not involved, (5) never used to pay for missionaries, (6) an integral part of the cermonial cultic statutes and ordinances of the Law of Moses and (7) never given to the Church after Calvary in terms of grace and faith. If you want to see which produces more money, set up two car washes at church. Mark one $1.00 and mark the other "Free or donations accepted." Grace out gives law every time. -- Don'try to market blessings and threaten curses to non-givers. Believers have died to that kind of goofyness. Romans 7:4 After all the good things which have said I cannot see how anybody can condlude that the NT teaches tithing to the Church in any fashion whatsover.

NT giving is (1) freewill, (2) sacrificial, (3) generous, (4) a heart response, (5) motivated by the HOly Spirit and (6) out of a desie to see souls added to God’s kingdom.

OT tithing was (1) mandatory, (2) only from farmers and herdsmen, (3) only from inside Israel, (4) feelings were not involved, (5) never used to pay for missionaries, (6) an integral part of the cermonial cultic statutes and ordinances of the Law of Moses and (7) never given to the Church after Calvary in terms of grace and faith.

If you want to see which produces more money, set up two car washes at church. Mark one $1.00 and mark the other “Free or donations accepted.” Grace out gives law every time. — Don’try to market blessings and threaten curses to non-givers. Believers have died to that kind of goofyness. Romans 7:4

]]> By: Amore http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6/comment-page-1#comment-237 Amore Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:25:21 +0000 http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6#comment-237 I have been following this article on 'tithing'. It makes me ponder and reflect on the attitude of my heart as I tithe to God. Indeed, in the new convenant, tithing is given willingly from the heart as God loves a cheerful giver, one who gives with no expectations or hesitation. Pia, sometime, we need to examine our hearts on the purpose on giving. Are we giving so as to expect God to give us what we desire or are we giving as one who comes to the great King with our gifts as an honour to Him? I examine my heart and my motives on giving, tithing and even offering. I want to check myself so that I do not fall into judgement or sin before God. May God show you the purpose of your tithing. David, keep up the great message on tithing and giving from the heart! I have been following this article on ‘tithing’. It makes me ponder and reflect on the attitude of my heart as I tithe to God. Indeed, in the new convenant, tithing is given willingly from the heart as God loves a cheerful giver, one who gives with no expectations or hesitation. Pia, sometime, we need to examine our hearts on the purpose on giving. Are we giving so as to expect God to give us what we desire or are we giving as one who comes to the great King with our gifts as an honour to Him? I examine my heart and my motives on giving, tithing and even offering. I want to check myself so that I do not fall into judgement or sin before God. May God show you the purpose of your tithing. David, keep up the great message on tithing and giving from the heart!

]]> By: pia http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6/comment-page-1#comment-234 pia Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:03:54 +0000 http://www.sermonalive.com/biblical-economic/the-six-laws-of-abundance6#comment-234 thanks for sharing this. this just made me realize something about tithing. i'm a faithful thither but it seems like i'm not getting the breakthrough i want. maybe, i'm not really expecting it the way i should. thanks for sharing this. this just made me realize something about tithing. i’m a faithful thither but it seems like i’m not getting the breakthrough i want. maybe, i’m not really expecting it the way i should.

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